Ancient Orbs and ilvl

When it comes to introducing ancient orbs, ilvl is clearly irrelevant. Later, when the ancient orbs were reintroduced, the Lycosidae trick was discovered (using the ancient orbs on the low-level Titucius Span to guarantee the Lyocosidae). So it's clear that now, at least to some extent, it's important. I think Lycosidae's trick is still working. On this basis, I try to use the ilvl18 flask to play the Taste of Hate. First, I got the Doedre's Elixir, but the second is Divination Distilatte, which requires a level of 30. Now some people say that the level requirement is different from the minimum level (drop), but I search on poe.trade, and there is no separate divination distinction below level 30 (below 4600).

So, is there a consensus on how ancient orbs interact with ilvl now?

One explanation is that it will first scroll through the subcategories (life flask, mana flask, Hybrid flask, utility flask) because no ilvl18 Hybrid Flask goes to the next highest level, Divination Distilate.

For the Lycosidae, this is not important because all 4x2 shields are armor shields, so ancient orbs always roll in this subclass. (the ancient orb will not change the inventory size, so you will always get 4x2 shield).

Update: another Ancient Orb rolls the Wise Oak. So far, this supports my theory, of course, the number of sample size is not enough.

Ancient Orb VS Orb of Chance

It seems to me that an ancient orb will be able to change the base type, but only to chanceable uniques - a wurms molt can become any belt, but can only have a chance at becoming a HH inside nem maps. Being able to instantly go steppen eard > skyforth would ve ridiculous and force the currency to be really rare.

I can't imagine the Ancient Orb letting you "chance" a legacy unique outside of maps with that modifier.

Ancient Orb HeadHunter Chance

Well I did it for science, I recorded almost all of the attempts, but honestly I don't want to have to edit or upload anything, and some of the clips are laggy, so i'll just toss in a screenshot or two

6553 Ancient Orbs = 15 Headhunters

So it averages out to one in 437 Ancients over 15 headhunters.

Now here is the point at which I hit each belt, i'll include total orb amount, and amount since last belt.

• First Headhunter: 483 Orbs in
• Second Headhunter: 715 Orbs in - 232 since last
• Third Headhunter: 797 Orbs in - 82 since last
• Fourth Headhunter: 811 Orbs in - 14 since last
• Fifth Headhunter: 1221 Orbs in - 410 since last
• Sixth Headhunter: 1239 Orbs in - 18 since last
• Seventh Headhunter: 1772 Orbs in - 533 since last
• Eighth Headhunter: 2462 Orbs in - 690 since last
• Ninth Headhunter: 3016 Orbs in - 554 since last
• Tenth Headhunter: 3835 Orbs in - 819 since last
• Eleventh Headhunter: 5281 Orbs in - 1446 since last
• Twelfth Headhunter: 5398 Orbs in - 117 since last
• Thirteenth Headhunter: 5401 Orbs in - 3 since last
• Fourteenth Headhunter: 5827 Orbs in - 426 since last
• Fifteenth Headhunter: 6553 Orbs in - 726 since last

So its about a 400 average really, just kinda depends on if you get lucky or not, I mean If you just based it off my first 6 its closer to a 200 average, but then if you based it off belts 7 to 11 then you have about an 800 average, which is terrible.

Basically its somewhere between 400-500 ancients when you really average it out, but the best way I can put it is this, its roughly the same as trying to six link something in terms of randomness, you could six link 2-3 items in 1000 fusings, or you could be unlucky like I was this league and have to use 3270 fusings for a single six link when you could have just spent the 1500 fusings for the guarantee. So my final conclusion is: DON'T DO IT. Just buy a headhunter, or the divination cards to make one, because you could easily spend well over a headhunter to get one, and on top of that, the main problem is trying to acquire the orbs, I can't imagine how many hours I spent buying these damn orbs, all I can say is, it really isn't worth the time, effort, and luck it takes to even try. Just take the safe route.

Edit: I posted this in response to a comment, but I think this is really important so I added it in.

I know it's ironic, but all jokes aside, let me explain why I think it truly isn't worth it at this point. If we say the average is what I ended with, 1/437 Ancient Orbs exactly, you will expect to spend 5244 Chaos, this is assuming you get all orbs for 12 chaos each, which seems to be the current price. It will probably take you 2-3 hours to buy this many orbs if you are actively trying the entire time. At the moment you can buy a clean headhunter for 84-85 exalts, and exalts are 66-67c each, so just buying one would cost around 5,600c. So if you hit the assumed 437 average, you are only saving around 350c. Now obviously you aren't gonna hit my average, you could hit 3 belts within your first 250 orbs, but you could also not hit a single one within 1500 or more.

The entire reason I was able to even do this was because I got in on it early enough, orbs were 5c each, and my average for the first 6 belts were insane, if you say the first 1250 orbs were 5c each, thats 6250 chaos, the belts were 4000+ chaos at that point, so that is how I really made all my money with this method. After that point, the orbs went up in price, headhunters chaos value didn't go up much, and my luck started to dry up. At this point I believe I actually lost a lot of money between the last 9 headhunters, because the orbs were 9-10c each, the headhunters value didn't change enough to help that shift in price, and my average for the last 9 was 590 per belt, as opposed to my first 6 which averaged 206 per belt.

One last thing I really want to clear up here, mainly because of all the messages I am getting, and the misunderstanding in the comments, I do not have 15 headhunters, I had to sell them nearly every chance I could get to keep funding more ancient orb attempts, the most I ever had at once was 5, and when I had 5 I had less then 100 chaos left, and no exalts, just wanted to clear that up.

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